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Flowers for Algernon

Do you think Charlie is happier at the end of the story than at the beginning?  Why or why not?

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10 points

In Flowers for Algernon, Charlie was much happier at the beginning of the story than at the end.

5 points

Charlie was happier at the begining of the story because he didn't have to live with once being smart, and he didn't have to leave just so his friends wouldn't be sorry for him and so he wouldn't be sorry for himself. As soon as he remembered the operation, he decided he should leave and not come back so he could forget about the things that recently happened so he wouldn't be sad. He said that him remembering the operation and him getting smart is why he left for New York.

aeb4(6) Clarified
3 points

The report stated "Then all of a suddin I remembered the operashun and me getting smart and I said holy smoke I reely pulled a Charlie Gordon that time. I went away beforeshe come back to the room. Thats why im going away from New York for good." Implying that he was leaving so he wasn't sad.

5 points

At the beginning charlie was more happy because He was happy to learn and he was dedicated. He also became friends with ms kinnian and he wouldnt see her again because he felt he was a let down to everyone

5 points

Charlie was happiest at the begging of the story because he made people laugh not knowing it was for a bad reason, but it made him feel good in the inside. Charlie felt important, at the ending of the story he felt ashemed and moved to new york.

1 point

On top of that he also didn't know how truly nice being smart would be and it was harder to miss it after he had already experienced it.

4 points

Charlie was happier at the beginning of the story. In the beginning, even though he was dumb, he was a lot happier. Being dumb for Charlie was all he knew at the time. He hadn’t known what it was like to be smart or know another language.

4 points

Charlie was more happy and anticipated for the operation along with having more time with Ms. Kinnian.

4 points

Charlie was happier at the begining of the story because he didnt know how people really treated him when he was not able to notice.

nmc1 Disputed
4 points

Charlie was more confused and less understanding than ever. He didn't know what the overall difference was going to be when he got smart. Therefore, he seemed less happy in the beginning than later when he totally understood the concept.

3 points

Charlie was much happier at the beginning than at the end because at the end he was lonely, sick, and depressed. At the beginning of the story, he had his friends and was pretty happy with his life.

3 points

I agree with this response because charlie was much happier in the begining because since his lack of intelligence he could not get upset.

3 points

At the beginning of the story, Charlie was happier. Charlie wrote in his journal, "Now I am more alone than ever..." after he realizes his friends had always made fun of and laughed at him. Once he found this out, he didn't trust his friends, and this observation hurt his feelings. Also, at the end, Charlie moves to New York because he cannot stand people feeling bad for him. This leaves Charlie with a useless and bad feeling.

3 points

Charlie was much happier at the beginnign of the story because, even though he had the same level of the intelligence at the beginning of the end, Charlie felt more depressed at the end the beginning. Charlie felt more clusless at the beginning of story which made him feel better, but by the end he knew how people really thought about him which really made him a depressed person. He thought that he had nice friends that made him laugh a lot, but he eventaully figured out that they were just making fun of him. Charlie was also happy in the beginning because by the end because he was happy that he was finally becoming smart. By the end of the story, Charlie realized that being smart was not as easy and as fun as he had always pictured it to be. When he was smart, he realized that people were always making fun of him and that people expect a lot more from people that are smart. That is why Charlie was happier at the beginning of the story.

asg1(1) Disputed
1 point

Perhaps he may be clueless to his surroundings in the beginning, but how does that make him happier? It's noticeable that he is embarrassed at his low intelligence in the beginning. If he enjoyed the way he lived, why would he want to change?

Toward the end, he also had the satisfaction of the discovery of the Gordon-Algernon Effect.

2 points

With Charlie`s decreasing intelligence, he realizes that he is happier at the end of the story than at the beginning. This is because he friends Joe andFrank stick up for him and the end of the story. Also, at the beginning at the story, Charlie`s friends` make fun of him, mock him, trick him, and ditch him because he was not smart. How could he be happier at the beginning of the story than at the end.

jmw8(3) Disputed
2 points

In Flowers for Algernon, Charlie is mocked, made fun of, tricked and ditched at the end of the story. How could he be happier at the beginning of the story than at the end.

2 points

Charlie is happier at the beginning of the story because. He has lots of friends at the beginning than at the end. His friends at the factory are niser to him at the beginning, they may make fun of him a little bit but he is to stupied to notivce so its ok. But overall they talk to him and there friends. Unlike towards the end of the story were they hate him and don't talk to him at all. So it proves that charile gordan is much happier at the beinning than he is at the end.

2 points

Charlie is happier at the beginning of the story. Evidence to support claim is that in the book it said “I’m glad I’m going back to work because I miss my job and all my friends and all the fun we have there,” page 227. “there was 140 names, everyone connected with the factory, except Fanny Girden. Scanning the list quickly, I saw at once that hers was the only missing name. All the rest demanded that I be fired,” page 234. He was happy towards the beginning of the story because before the operation he was happy that he’s going back to work with his friends, but then after the operation he got fired from his job from being too smart.

2 points

Yes, I think that Charlie was much happier at the beginning then at the end. He is happier at the beginning because at the ened he is super sick and depressed because of the effects of the operation.

2 points

Charlie was happier at the beginning of the story. At the begginging he has lots of freinds and is always laughing with him. He is also gaining intelligence and wants to be choosen so he works very hard toward the operation. He has lots of motovation and is happy because of that.

2 points

Charlie is happier at the beginning of the story because at the end he has amnesia and has thoughts of suicide. At the beginning he does not have to face those problems.

2 points

In Flowers for Algernon, Charlie Gordon, the protagonist of the story, seemed happier at the beginning than at the end. Although his IQ was lower than it should’ve been, he didn’t let it bother him. He thought he had good friends, a good job, and liked school. His low intelligence gave him reason to want to become smarter, allowing him to become the best of his class. Because of this determination, Miss Kinnian recommended him for a special lobotomy operation. For months he worked with Drs. Strauss and Nemon, preparing and testing him for when the time came for the operation. After the operation happened, Charlie became extremely smart over time. Soon, though, he began to study his lab rat friend, Algernon. He made observations and a hypothesis. Charlie predicted that Algernon would die because the operation damaged him. He also realized that he himself would become damaged because of the operation as well. Over time, he started to forget memories, grammar lessons, becoming the way he was before. Instead of being happy and oblivious, he became frustrated and angry, mad that he could not fight the damage. In the end, Charlie was not as happy as he was at the beginning.

1 point

Charlie was happier at the beginning of the story. In the beginning of the story, he got sad sometimes about his condition, but tried to be happy. Then Charlie undergoes the operation and his intelligence level becomes higher than normal people. During the period in which Charlie’s intelligence is very high, he does research on the operation Algernon and him had, and discovers the negative side effects. Those who had the operation became very smart, but then they began to lose their artificial intelligence. This operation ultimately results in death, like it did to Algernon, Charlie’s mouse friend who had received the same operation. Once Charlie’s intelligence begins to decrease, he becomes sadder and sadder, because he knows that he will eventually lose all of his intelligence that he had gained from the operation. This makes him sadder than he was in the beginning of the story, because he felt like what it was like to finally be smart, and then lost it all. It’s like giving somebody a present and then taking it back. You would have been much happier if you wouldn’t have known about the gift in the first place, and never given to you or taken from you.

Sra2(1) Disputed
1 point

He couldn't have been happier at the beginning because he always was being picked on and bullied. He was upset that everyone made fun of everything he did. He hated being the person that was always being bullied.

1 point

Charlie hurt and understood a lot more at the end. While in some cases the knowledge standpoint could be done this was not one of those cases. While he understood book smart knowledge for a time he kept the “street smart” knowledge. He finally knew what pulling a “Charlie Gordon” was. It was when someone messed up horribly and did something ignorant. This hurt Charlie to know that his “friends” would always make fun of him. He also knew that people made fun of him often. His friends degraded him to. Sometimes they would get him drunk and laugh at how goofy and profound he had acted. And after gaining all this horrible knowledge he still had his book smarts for a time. Only for a time though. He was amazingly smart and horrifyingly logical. That was his life dream. He had finally been given a wonderful goal and he had accomplished it. He lost his lifetime goal. When everything had fallen into place perfectly it kept falling. This dragged him lower and lower as he lost his mind power slowly. He was pushed into a deep, menacing depression and did nothing but eats and sleeps every day. No more work and no more anything makes life dull. He had instantly though of suicide for a large portion of this year. Suicide is when you’ve lost all hope and lost all of anything you’ve ever cared for. He even had to leave his home at the end of the story. Leaving the place you grew up in and knew can be hard. It ca be extra hard for someone who had already lost it all.

1 point

He was happier at the beginning of the story because his life was more complete because he had friends, a job, and a home

1 point

He was happier at the beginning of the story because he had more friends. He also had a job and a home

1 point

In the beginning of Flowers for Algernon, Charlie Gordon seemed happier than in the end. Although Charlie’s operation was successful and served its purpose, it wasn’t permanent. His low IQ didn’t bother him, but made him want to learn more. By attending Miss Kinnian’s night classes for slow adults he gradually learned to read and write. Even though his reading and writing were still too low, it pleased him to actually be improving. When Charlie was recommended for a lobotomy he was ecstatic to have a chance in increasing intelligence. After the operation he didn’t notice the improvement in his intelligence. He did notice that when he went back to work several of his so called “friends” bullied him and made jokes about “Pulling a Charlie.” Charlie understood more and felt more pain when unfortunate thing happened. His lack of knowledge was an advantage to him for some time because it shielded him from the realities of the world.

1 point

Charlie was happier in the beginning of the story beause he stated that he left New York because he wanted to forget about the operations that he has been in. Another reason he was happier in the beginning of the story is because he worked so hard on being smarter but eventually forgot everything.

1 point

Ignorance is bliss and he was truly happier without knowing how nice being smart could be and how much he was missing out on. Also, he was happy not knowing how mean his "friends" were being to him and all the pain that occured with him realizing that was too much.

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i agree with this agurement because he was kinda in his own world when he was not smart and didnt even relise people didnt like him but he was still much happier and he also enjoyed going to work and now alo he does is sit in a room and studys the structure of function of increased intelligence.

0 points

Charlie was much happier at the end of the story because at the end he had thoughts of suicide and started to have amnesia. At the beginning he never had to live with those things.

edj1(2) Disputed
2 points

so basically your saying his happier at the beginning that doesnt make since

eca2 Disputed
1 point

You contradict your self, unless of course you think amnesia and suicidal thoughts make you happy >.<

1 point

Charlie was arguably happier in the end, than in the beginning. In the beginning of the book, Charlie was constantly harrassed and insulted because of his low intelligence. Even though Charlie began to lose all that he has gained towards the end, he will always have the satisfaction of uncovering the Gordon-Algernon Effect. The satisfaction and pride is sufficient to show that Charlie was happier a post-intellectual than a pre-intellectual.

1 point

Charlie was happier a the beginning of the story because he had friends, a job, and a home

-1 points

In Flowers for Algernon, Charlie was much happier at the end of the story than at the beginning.

jar2(2) Disputed
3 points

I disagree with this response because charlie was angry in the end because people didnt like him because he was smart and in the begining he was happy becasue he was not smart he didnt understand anything to be upset.

hlb1(2) Disputed
1 point

I don't get why you are disagreeing because you both have the same claim but different evidence.

aeb4(6) Disputed
2 points

Charlie was not happy at the end like he was at the begining. At the end, he had to leave just so he wouldn't remember his operation. He was sad about it and left as soon as he remembered it.

jpm4(2) Disputed
2 points

He wasnt happier at the end because he was going to move to new york because he felt that he was a let down to everyone and he was a dissapointment to everyone

jbw1 Disputed
2 points

At the end, Charlie was lonely, depressed, lost everything he worked for to be smart, and had suicidal thoughts. And at the beginning, he had friends, a job he liked, and knew there was a possibility of being smart. So, he was clearly much happier at the beginning.

lmr3(5) Disputed
2 points

Charlie was not happier at the end because his bad descisons drove him to move to new york at the end of the story.

LEW1(2) Disputed
2 points

In Flowers for Algernon, Charlie Gordon, the protagonist of the story, seemed happier at the beginning than at the end. Although his IQ was lower than it should’ve been, he didn’t let it bother him. He thought he had good friends, a good job, and liked school. His low intelligence gave him reason to want to become smarter, allowing him to become the best of his class. Because of this determination, Miss Kinnian recommended him for a special lobotomy operation. For months he worked with Drs. Strauss and Nemon, preparing and testing him for when the time came for the operation. After the operation happened, Charlie became extremely smart over time. Soon, though, he began to study his lab rat friend, Algernon. He made observations and a hypothesis. Charlie predicted that Algernon would die because the operation damaged him. He also realized that he himself would become damaged because of the operation as well. Over time, he started to forget memories, grammar lessons, becoming the way he was before. Instead of being happy and oblivious, he became frustrated and angry, mad that he could not fight the damage. In the end, Charlie was not as happy as he was at the beginning.

pvm1 Disputed
1 point

At the end, Algeron was dead, he was back to dumb again, and even though he had no one before, he felt more alone than ever.

dbh3 Disputed
1 point

charlie was not happier at the end of the story because he started to realize that almost all of the workers didn't like it when charlie was smart.

nlg4(2) Disputed
1 point

i do not agree with this agrument because he got fired from his job that he loved because he was too smart and now all he does is sit in a room and study increased intellugence all alone which i dont think he is very happy doing that.

1 point

Charlie had said he was happy that he got to experience what it was like to be smart for once. He was always being bullied for a long time before he had gotten smart and he always wanted to be the one who people looked toward and he got his wish. So that is my argument about how he is happier at the end.